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Daredevil: Deborah Ann Woll Offers Jon Bernthal Dungeons & Dragons 101

Daredevil star Deborah Ann Woll offers co-star Jon Bernthal a lesson in Dungeons & Dragons while also sharing why D&D means so much to her.


Were we impressed with what Marvel Studios had to share regarding the upcoming nine-episode Charlie Cox (Matt Murdock/Daredevil) and Vincent D'Onofrio (Wilson Fisk/Kingpin)-starring Daredevil: Born Again (set to hit Disney+ screens in March 2025)? Absolutely – but it isn't the most impressive thing that we've seen Jon Bernthal (Frank Castle/Punisher) and Deborah Ann Woll (Karen Page) involved in this month. That honor would go to a recent episode of Bernthal's podcast, REAL ONES with Jon Bernthal – where Woll introduces Bernthal to the world of Dungeons & Dragons.

In the clip from the podcast (which is waiting for you above), Woll accomplishes two major feats that so many others have kinda failed at. First, Woll does an excellent job of explaining how campaigns work and developing/evolving your character – so much so that even we began understanding the basics. Woll is a natural teacher, and it shows – but that was only one half of the equation. Along with laying out the basics of what Bernthal (and folks like us) would need to know, Woll expressed her love for Dungeons & Dragons and role-playing games on a personal, intimate level. Even if you're not a D&D player, you can appreciate the sentiments that Woll expresses about how the "geek" things we love can help get us through the rough times, being there for us when things seem down.

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Image: Real Ones Podcast Screencap; Geek & Sundry Screencap

And here's a look at Woll in full-on DM mode – with a very familiar face from Daredevil who you might just recognize…

Daredevil: Born Again – Looking Back…

Joining Cox, D'Onofrio, and the returning  Jon Bernthal, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, and Ayelet Zurer (either confirmed or reported) are Margarita Levieva, Michael Gandolfini, Nikki M. James, Genneya Walton, Clark Johnson, Arty Froushan, Zabryna Guevara, Wilson Bethel, Michael Gaston, Marc Geller, Lou Taylor Pucci, and Harris Yulin. Dario Scardapane (Netflix's The Punisher) serves as showrunner, and the co-directing team of Justin Benson & Aaron Moorhead (Loki) are helming the remainder of the season the first season.

Previous set images/videos featured someone sporting the Punisher's skull – though not Bernthal. That added fuel to the fire that the season will include a storyline about rogue cops perverting the Punisher's cause & symbol to justify their crimes. Someone dropping a whole lot of fuel onto that theory was none other than Bernthal – who took to Instagram to post an image of the cover of One Batch, Two Batch. Yup, Lisa Castle's favorite book before going to sleep – the one that contains "One Batch, Two Batch, Penny and Dime" (which we learn in Netflix's Daredevil S02E04: "Penny and Dime"). Could we be getting a backstory revisit as a reminder of how the Punisher came to be? Here's a look at the post:

Echo Post-Credits Scene Gives New Meaning to "Born Again"?

Without giving away too much about Marvel Studios' Echo, the final showdown between Maya Lopez (Alaqua Cox) and Kingpin finds Maya using the powers of her Choctaw ancestors to venture into Kingpin's mind to rid him of the pain & rage that's fueled him for so long. Okay, got that? Good… because that leads us to the mid-credits scene. Making a getaway to greener pastures on his private jet, a news report about the New York City mayoral race catches his attention. While the reporter discusses how the city is looking for someone who will fight for them, we see a look on Kingpin's face that says that he believes he could be the answer to NYC's problems. For those of you who are comics fans, you know that Fisk has already recently gone down that route post-"Secret Empire" in a storyline that saw Matt Murdock as deputy mayor and Luke Cage running for office (yeah, there was a lot going on).

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Image: Marvel Studios

But why is this situation so different? Because we don't know which Wilson Fisk wants to be mayor heading into Daredevil: Born Again. We knew what Kingpin we were dealing with pre-Echo, so it would be easy to write this off as just a mad power grab on Kingpin's part. But if all of that pain and rage is now gone, who are we dealing with now? Because "Born Again" takes on a totally different meaning if we're dealing with Fisk legitimately believing he can do right by NYC – that he can be his savior. Throw into that mix the possibility that what Maya did may not stick – maybe Fisk's pain and rage are just too great to stay gone forever. And now that we're thinking about it, having Matt Murdock not believing that Fisk has changed and continuing to target him could also be an interesting way to push Fisk back to his old, big-bad ways.


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Ray FlookAbout Ray Flook

Serving as Television Editor since 2018, Ray began five years earlier as a contributing writer/photographer before being brought onto the core BC team in 2017.
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